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Ideal picture about life and society in the Stone Age - cave dwellers (painting made ca 1885)
 Thank you for nominating this image. Unfortunately, it does not fall within the Guidelines and is unlikely to succeed for the following reason: Image is small size for an artwork, uncentered, and image quality is below the threshold for FPs. The image is not representative for the Stone Age as an historic period. It stretched for roughly 3.4 million years and it was only during the last 40,000 or 30,000 of those, that dogs became domesticated.--Cart (talk) 14:37, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply] Anyone other than the nominator who disagrees may override this template by changing {{FPX}} to {{FPX contested}} and adding a vote in support. Voting will then continue in the usual way. If not contested within 24 hours, this nomination may be closed.
  1. The image is 2,704 × 1,386 and 2.5 MB. The size certainly isn't a problem, it's very large.
  2. From Stone Age – The period lasted for roughly 3.4 million years[1] and ended between 4,000 BC and 2,000 BC and dogs were domesticated around 15 k years ago. So the rationale at least is objectively false but not entirely sure what you mean with and assume with "representative for" there. Shouldn't have put the FPX template there for no good reason. --Prototyperspective (talk) 22:15, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It might very well be a pretty painting, but it is a fantasy version of what the Stone Age might have looked like. It was made long before any modern archeological science had begun, so if there was a good photo of it, it could be nominated as just a painting and not as something that we should put forward as to what the age actually looked like. If you want a painting to represent what the era looked like as in "realistically depicting ancient society", I don't think this is the one. Stone Age people only had dogs for 1.17% percent of that period (at the end of it), so it's bit of a stretch to have this representing the era. It would be like having how things looked in 2023-2024 representing all of the last 2000 years. There is also a guy who looks like he is blowing a horn. The oldest musical instruments found are from 60,000 BC, so in the same ballpark as the dogs.
If you compare it to most of the other paintings that are promoted now, you'll find that it is indeed quite small. And with the off-center doorway/whatever and very poor technical quality, it's not enough for FP. --Cart (talk) 22:28, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just makes it more explicit that you seem to confuse Featured Pictures with Featured Photos even despite that there is a gallery type for nonphotographic media and that I linked it above. Nobody is assuming or stating it's a totally factual entirely accurate representation. I used that word realistically only in my support rationale, not in the nomination. Maybe one could clarify that this is showing a scene at the end of the stone age. If you look at the gallery for which this is nominated all or nearly all of them are how people imagined things. Maybe it's problematic that it isn't much informed by modern science and that one would need to attach text to clarify that if anything it would be toward the end of that period. However, this does not represent the whole era – maybe you think so because of the title but I was not suggesting that title was somehow displayed (at least without the explaining text). What matters is not the details but more general things like them being next to a cave, but the aspect of this being how people in recent history imagined humans in the past is also relevant. It's not clearly false and if it was it should be contextualized anyway. Also maybe the file should be moved from "aus der Steinzeit" to sth like "der Steinzeit" / "Imagined scene of the late Stone Age (1885 painting)". Prototyperspective (talk) 22:40, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not confusing any galleries, I know pretty well what they stand for since I created many of them. But, sorry, even with all the caveats, the small file and low technical quality of it remains. --Cart (talk) 22:54, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
 Comment For featured reproductions of nonphotographic media, the “featured” status distinguishes to a large extent the quality of the digital reproduction. We do not feature a reproduction even of the greatest painting on earth when the reproduction is insufficient. Just take a look at the individual gallery pages – e.g. the ‘Exteriors’ … That gallery contains not only excellent, but also many rather solid and typical artworks, but in outstanding digital reproduction. – Aristeas (talk) 14:29, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Strong oppose It seems the FPX may be contested (not sure what's going on here), but what Cart said. --SHB2000 (talk) 05:09, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Oppose Sorry, this is a very interesting painting, but the resolution is really low for a digital reproduction according to today’s standards, and in addition it’s rather unsharp and blotchy. Not even to mention the problem of factual authenticity rightly flagged by Cart … – Aristeas (talk) 14:03, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Oppose blurry at full res. Disagree with that it is "realistically depicting ancient society" - that may have been the artist's intent in the 1880s, but the "caveman" archetype notions are badly outdated from improved understanding from archaeological studies in the generations since then. -- Infrogmation of New Orleans (talk) 22:00, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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