File talk:Flag of Libya (1977–2011).svg

Gaddafi flag and coat of arms

Fry1989 is saying the File:Flag of Libya (1977-2011).svg and File:Coat of arms of Libya 1977-2011.svg should be dark green, but that is incorrect all photos show a lighter green flag and was so earlier before he imposed his version, am not saying anyone should be blocked am merely asking Administrators to stop and revert Fry1989 Ionchari (talk) 18:46, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

With that flag, there is no specific shade of green that was created (and honestly we will never know). The only thing that I have found when it comes to color is a dark shade of green as provided by the Beijing Olympic Organization Committee for the 2008 Olympics, but this was never an official shade adopted by anyone (and several other selections they made too were incorrect when it comes to my sources). User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 18:52, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

you said there were no official shade of green, then it means we should use the most commonly used version that is light green, can you now please stop and revert fry1989, becuase i think he will otherwise edit war very much over this Ionchari (talk) 19:24, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

I have verious photos of the flag using the dark green, which is the original reason why I darkened it in the first place. There is no reason why it should not be used, and what you think of me is irrelevant. Also why was I not notified of this? Why did I have to find this AN on my own? Fry1989 ^eh? 19:30, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

i was unsure if this was required on wikicommons if i see official guidelines i will do so in the future but i dont think i will start any more ani if is not needed, just see google pictures and there a many photos with light green flags Ionchari (talk) 19:47, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

from COM:AN --Steinsplitter (talk) 19:51, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Yes, it is the correct protocol to notify a user on their talk page if you bring up an AN topic about them. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 19:55, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

I darkened the flag back during the revolution, there were various photos of the flag using a darker green, and they were mostly in official contexts such as at the UN or in government conferences. Also as mentioned above, the olympics in China recommended a darker green. However most of these photos are now more difficult to find since they have been supplanted by the new flag in search engines. Fry1989 ^eh? 19:58, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

The 2008 Beijing book uses Pantone 348 C (008542 in hex) for the Gaddafi era flag; that same shade is used in the 2012 Olympics in London. So it is darker than what Ionchari wants to display, but lighter than what you show Fry. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 20:03, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Are you kidding me? We have sources that it was darker, and the darker shade I used (whether it is correct or not) has stood for 2 years without dispute, and you're gonna revert back to the unsourced light green just because this new user doesn't like it? This is ridiculous, it should be changed based on sources. What ever happened to the practice of keeping the status quo in a disagreement until otherwise proven to be wrong? Fry1989 ^eh? 20:22, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

you were proven wrong Fry1989 see http://flagspot.net/flags/ly_1977.html Ionchari (talk) 20:48, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

No, I wasn't. Zscout370 said that it's darker than what you want to revert to even if not as dark as the green which I chose at the time. Under current Commons practices, the status quo should be maintained in a dispute until it is properly proven to be wrong. The green I chose has been the status quo for 2 years without question from anyone. You have no sources for the light green. Fry1989 ^eh? 20:54, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

I went to the original SVG file (Flag of Libya.svg) and used the last uploaded file before the revolution took place. That was supposed to happen, but when the file was split after the revolution took place, it was first uploaded as a darker green, which was not used as the file (and all of the other history was not carried over). So that was the tactic I did was to use the last uploaded file. But as I said, from the sources I got, the color is not determined by law. The dark shade, if anything came from http://www.flags.net/LBYA.htm (the ratio question is for another time and place) and was fought over. About the photos, I have looked for photos of Gaddafi in Arabic, and from what I have seen the shades varies depends on what fabric was used, where he was. This is why just using photographs is not a good idea overall. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 20:59, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

And FOTW chose that color to comply with color standards of images (only using 32 shades), so usually it is not an accurate depiction of a national flag on the website. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 21:00, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&hs=0oT&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&biw=1280&bih=790&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=%D8%B9%D9%84%D9%85+%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%82%D8%B0%D8%A7%D9%81%D9%8A&oq=%D8%B9%D9%84%D9%85+%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%82%D8%B0%D8%A7%D9%81%D9%8A&gs_l=img.3..0i19.659205.659205.0.659601.1.1.0.0.0.0.159.159.0j1.1.0....0...1c.1.31.img..0.1.159.X--H9I7wleQ Here] is the search for Flag and Gaddafi in Arabic. Once again the colors vary, the shades vary but also does the locations. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 21:09, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

I do not object to the current green. Fry1989 ^eh? 18:28, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Where is the 2008 Olympic link that states the official shade of green? I'd like to add the information to the corresponding Wikipedia article and need the source. Thank you! Illegitimate Barrister (talk) 10:34, 9 December 2013 (UTC)