File talk:Flag of Niger.svg

Proportions

The Niger constitution does not specify the flag's dimensions. As fotw.net states,

Although often illustrated in 6:7 there is no apparent official reason why this should be so, and it could be a case of vexilollogists copying each other? It is worth remarking that the official Government website of the Niger shows the flag at 2:3.

Actually, the parliament's website shows a 5:3 flag, so I see no reason at all to keep the strange 7:6 proportions. Some more images: [1], [2], [3] --Pumbaa 17:14, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Actually not! The parliament uses a modified flag to display the name of the country on it, so the flag was enlarged to allow letters fitting in!

Look at other sources, notably embassies, or the flag used at the United Nations, which are cleverly chosen to respect the intended opinion and laws of the governments they represent. Those sources are not modified like in this parliament site! Verdy p 09:09, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Just to note: government websites are usually created by ... not the best people. :p Government websites of African nations even moreso. On many occasions I have seen websites with horribly inaccurate renderings of their own state's flag. If you feel photographs of actual flags justify a change in this rendering's dimensions, though, I say go for it. I tend to prefer photographs of flags found in official places like capitols, embassies, the UN, Olympic games, etc. ¦ Reisio 20:44, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

That's a good point. I searched some photos of the parliament, and found these: [4] [5]. The flag there is not 6:7 but it's hard to tell what ratio it actually has.

I tend to use 5:3. --Pumbaa 17:22, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

If you think it's more accurate, then go for it. ¦ Reisio 23:23, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

This is an unsolved issue, because even the Nigeran authorities use and display flags with various aspect ratios. I tend to think that this is not considered important, and that Niegran authorities will not forbid anyone to use varying sizes, as long as they respect the three equal bars, a centered disc, and the approximate colors, and don't add other distinctive signs or emblems on it ; this is just what is needed to make the flag unique and easily recognizable.

Various ratios are then used, by Nigeran authorities, including 2:3, 3:5, 6:7, 7:8 ; all are equally valid (and have been used officially), but 2:3 ratios scale better when used with flags of other countries... (also because this larger ratio makes the flag more visible when it is floating, and allows the flag to float more easily with small or moderate winds). See also

http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/ne.html (one of the mirrors of the famous "Flags of the world" web site associated to a respectable and old mailing list used by vexillologists; it currently displays the 6:7 ratio in first position, but this is the least commonly used one... it also references other aspect ratios and gives more sources.)

Verdy p 08:45, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Note that the SVG embeds the following comments in its XML source:

This image is Public Domain by its author. The flag of Niger has the unusual 7:6 proportions, not the classic 2:3 proportion. The three bands have exactly the same size. For exact and complete coverage of the image, it is used as background. The central filled circle is at least 50% of the median band in diameter. 85% is used for better rendering at small sizes. For reference colors, see Flags of the world that define Pantone colors. For Pantone color conversion, please use ONLY the sRGB color profile (at reference gamma = 2.2 on CRT screen, without gamma correction by software or by the graphics display driver, as defined in IEC 61966-2.1, and with slope limit of 1/32, this limit affecting only the indices 1 to 14 in the 8-bit colorimetric component space 0 to 255):

• The "burnt orange" color in the top band and circle is Pantone(166), i.e. RGB(224,82,6) = #E05206 on sRGB CRT screen, or CMYK(0,65%,100%,0) for process coated print, BUT NOT light orange #FF7000 which is somewhere between Pantone(130C) and Pantone(151), and is even lighter than X11 orange! See http://www.seoconsultants.com/css/colors/conversion/100/
• The central white band is plain D65 reference white = RGB(255,255,255) = #FFFFFF.
• The green color in the bottom band is Pantone(361), i.e. RGB(13,176,43) = #0DB02B on sRGB CRT screen, or CMYK(76%,0,91%,0) for process coated print, BUT NOT grass green #36A100 which too burnt and more like Pantone(369)! See http://www.seoconsultants.com/css/colors/conversion/300/

(note however that the conversion charts from Pantone to RGB is no more available at the indicated URLs, probably because of Pantone copyright restrictions, so it just remains the individual colors, that can be checked using a Pantone-approved software) Hope this helps... Note also that the ration of the disc is also not defined legally! so it can be any size in 50% to 85% of the band height, and the choice is adjusted to exhibit the best rendering dending on flag size and usage. As this flag is most often used to create small icons in web articles, the disc uses the largest diameter, which scales better when rendered in small sizes, like with a 20px rendering width, or with a 16px width. In other words: the Niger laws give large freedom to their people to make the flag the way they can do it, even if it has "approximative" dimensions. This is not important and any convenient ratio is correct; they can make the flags temselves or buy them at various stores, even if they aer made in other countries, if it is less costly for them. All these ratios are unambiguously designating the country (in sport events, including at Olympic games or football/soccer matches). Verdy p 08:54, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Off Topic: You may be interested in the Pantone Matching System Color Chart --Pumbaa 15:43, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

May be this external pantane color chart will disappear too, due to copyright restrictions (only Pantone can say whever a palette matches its coloring system, or one that has licenced the Pantone matching system; publishing the conversion color table is a copyright infringement if it is exact, or is just a waste of time and an abuse of the pantone mark if the match is fuzzy).

This means that SBE directs violates the copyright when publishing this table, but the table itself may still be misleading if it is used for images or websites not specifying this color environment. I'm not sure that this palette is even suitable for the standard sRGB environment fully described by the W3C, and many PC monitors or graphic cards don't respect the W3C specifications about this sRGB specification (notablaty the white temperature, the contrast level between the white and the black references, and the gamma correction applied in the graphics card RAMDAC... or in the amplifiers used in the CRT, or its emulation in flat LCD/TFT or plasma monitors!)

Note that when using Pantone colors, it is crucial to specify the viewing environment, type of surface, light conditions... Verdy p 23:06, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Important note

Due to the large number of pages (on various Wikipedias) that reference this flag with its existing 7:6 proportions (notably for icons), it is not a good idea to change it. Those that want a 5:3 ratio can use another image that I just uploaded. See Image:Flag of Niger 5!3.svg. Here are samples at small sizes:

This image (7:6)	Alternate image (5:3)
with 20px width (17px height) with 19px width (16px height) with 18px width (15px height) with 16px width (14px height) with 15px width (13px height) with 14px width (12px height) with 13px width (11px height)	with 29px width (17px height) with 27px width (16px height) with 25px width (15px height) with 24px width (14px height) with 22px width (13px height) with 20px width (12px height) with 18px width (11px height)

—the preceding unsigned comment was added by Verdy p (talk • contribs)

I also uploaded the flag in the ratios 1:2 and 2:3 that are frequently used with other National flags.

Alternate image (2:1)	Alternate image (3:2)
with 34px width (17px height) with 32px width (16px height) with 30px width (15px height) with 28px width (14px height) with 26px width (13px height) with 24px width (12px height) with 22px width (11px height)	with 26px width (17px height) with 24px width (16px height) with 23px width (15px height) with 21px width (14px height) with 20px width (13px height) with 18px width (12px height) with 17px width (11px height)

--Pumbaa 15:58, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

new cat

I'm sorting Category:SVG sovereign state flags alphabetically. Please edit the cat tag to "Category:SVG sovereign state flags|Niger" Fry1989 (talk) 00:40, 18 January 2011 (UTC)