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Some minor issues

I have just come accross this great map. It is a great way of illustrating key issues (speed and frequency) on the ICE network. However, there seem to be some minor issues:

• Nürnberg-Leipzig-Berlin and Dresden-Leipzig-Erfurt-(Frankfurt) enjoy an hourly ICE service, yet it is displayed as a less than one-hour service. (Perhaps this graphics was based on the replacement shedule that had been in effect earlier this and late last year. During that time, serveral ICE services on those two lines were replaced by IC trains due to a shortage of ICE rolling stock.)
• Only parts of the (Nürnberg-)Ingolstadt-München, Nürnberg-Würzburg, Hannover-Wolfsburg and Köln-Aachen network segments are being operated at 200 km/h. There are "gaps" worth mentioning (some 40 km south of Ingolstadt, some 15 km east of Hanover and most of Nürnberg-Würzburg) where only 160 or less km/h are used. File:High_Speed_Railroad_Map_Europe_2009.gif might be used for further reference. It has undergone a tough review process and should represent at least the speed part correctly.
• The (München-)Augsburg-Nürnberg ICE branch is missing completely.

Hope this feedback helps. All the best, Peter --Bigbug21 (talk) 18:52, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Dear Peter, Many thanks for your detailed feedback. I'll improve the map shortly. The source I used for the frequencies is given in the text; indeed, I see no reason why I gave the Leipzig links a lower frequency. As for the gaps in the speed reached, I wanted to give maximum speeds, but I realize that if the gaps are really big, they call for a reclassification of parts of a segment. The three you point out I will be able to adapt, following your advice. Classical geographer (talk) 15:27, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! I'll gladly have a look at the improved version. --Bigbug21 (talk) 22:12, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Just some quick remarks on the improved version (thanks, again!):

• There is a ~30 km branch of 200 km/h track just north of Augsburg (up to Donauwörth)
• The one-hour frequency on the Leipzig-Dresden branch is still not depicted. Besides, the 200 (left) and 160 km/h (right) sections should rather have the same length. The one-hour frequency is also missing for the Leipzig-Berlin branch.

Besides, everything is looking good to me! Best wishes from Dresden, Peter --Bigbug21 (talk) 16:13, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks to you once more! I'll do a new update this evening. Classical geographer (talk) 14:12, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

I've made the changes, but I'm having some trouble uploading at the moment. Will try again next week. Thanks once again for your constructive comments! Classical geographer (talk) 22:22, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

I'll keep my fingers crossed! --Bigbug21 (talk) 17:49, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for reminding me. Classical geographer (talk) 21:27, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Frankfurt-Fulda

Fulda-Frankfurt is (in some parts) equipped for 200 km/h and not for 250 km/h as the map indicates (see fernbahn.de). Only the section between "LZB" and "LZB Ende" is capable for 200 km/h. Another 200 km/h section is currently under construction. 212.87.36.146 11:09, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the information! That's an interesting website you quote. But it does not list any speed at all above 160 km/h - not even between LZB and LZB Ende. Should it then not be 160 km/h? Classical geographer (talk) 13:18, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

OK, let me explain this: The site states what is written down in the schedule for the operator. When the track is equipped with LZB the track signaling is disabled and instead cab signaling is used. As such the printed schedule does not apply and the cab signaling displays the allowed speed. Depending on the track that can be 200 km/h, 230km/h, 250 km/h, 280 km/h or 300 km/h but it can also be less if there is a slower train in front or if the track isn't free for other reasons. For trains that don't have cab signaling installed, the 160 km/h stated in the schedule apply.

For Frankfurt-Fulda the maximum speed in this section is 200 km/h as on most upgraded lines. Only the Hamburg-Berlin and the (not yet finished) München-Augsburg lines have been upgraded to 230 km/h. Higher speed are only available on the new high-speed lines.

The official speed map of the german rail operator "DB Netz" can be found here. Note that is a 70MB zip files that contains various maps, the speed map is called "SNB_Geschwindigkeit_080908.pdf". Jhs s (talk) 08:49, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

So that explains why the linked webpage didn't give any speeds above 160 - thanks for the explanation. The PDF you refer to, however, is extremely useful, as it shows exactly the information we need. Thanks a lot! Classical geographer (talk) 15:02, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Wrong city

In this map the city where the line to Amsterdam splits from the line Cologne-Dortmund is said to be "Düsseldorf" but that's wrong, this city's name is "Duisburg"! axp_de^Hello! 18:07, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Well, Duisburg is not shown; the map indeed suggests the split takes place at or near Düsseldorf, whereas Duisburg is still in between. I'll choose to correct this by making some extra space north of Düsseldorf rather than inserting Duisburg as well, if you don't mind. Classical geographer (talk) 09:01, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Although Düsseldorf is politically more important than Duisburg, by means of railroad transportation it's the other way round. I'd be better to exchange Düsseldorf with Duisburg! axp_de^Hello! 14:50, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Nice work, thanks! axp_de^Hello! 17:35, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Location of Fulda

The location of Fulda is depictet too close to Frankfurt. In fact, Fulda is located further north-east with nearly equal straight-line distance to Frankfurt, Kassel and Würzburg (cf. Google Maps) --$traight-$hoota (talk) 11:58, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the comment. I realize it is a bit off the mark, but the map generalizes the lines to some degree - you'll note Hamburg-Fulda is a straight line, with Kassel and Göttingen and all the other curves not displayed. However, since the Frankfurt area could do with a bit more space, Fulda could be moved. I'll have a look. Thanks again, Classical geographer (talk) 09:12, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Stuttgart-Zürich

Many thanks for this great map! The Stuttgart-Zürich services (the 160 hm/h line from Stuttgart going south-by-southwest, crossing the Swiss border on the map) have been downgraded to IC status a few years ago. The line is no longer part of the ICE network: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorlage:DBAG-ICE-Netzplan-URL (link to current DB ICE network map). Best --Silvercowcreamer (talk) 13:56, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Neubaustrecke Erfurt–Leipzig/Halle

Neubaustrecke Erfurt–Leipzig/Halle is missing. The line was inaugurated on 9 December 2015. --DieSachsen (talk) 13:36, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Some more issues

There are some issues in the current version of the graphics:

• There is a ~30 km long 280 km/h section between Stuttgart and Mannheim, so those "250 kph" in the legend should be expanded to "250-280 km/h".
• Most of the near-Halle to Leipzig section permits only 250 km/h.
• The 160 km/h section between Nuremberg and Munich is munch longer.
• There is a 7 km 160 km/h section missing on the 200 km/h part between Leipzig and Dresden.
• There are several 160 km/h (or less) sections on the Berlin-Hamburg line, in particular in both big cities.
• The Halle junction from the Erfurt-Leipzg lines only permits 160 km/h max.

The maxspeed layer of OpenRailwayMap provides accurate information about the current permissible speeds on those sections. Hope this helps, Peter --Bigbug21 (talk) 13:32, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Done + plus some other issues. --Metrancya (talk) 23:49, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

Changes in December

I´m not able to change the file, but there are some changes in the timetable tomorrow.

• There is no ICE between Berlin and Rostock anymore. Now it is an intercity train.
• There is no ICE between Hamburg and Aarhus anymore. Now it is a Danish eurocity train since December of the last year.
• There is an ICE between Stralsund and Ostseebad Binz on Rügen since five years or more.
• There is a new ICE between Munich and Klagenfurt.
• And it would be good when you inscribe the arrows of the trains in the other countries. (like here for example to "Paris", "Amsterdam" or "Bruxelles".
  Thank you in advance for your help.--Blaufisch123 (talk) 13:28, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

There is more that does not fit. All so-called ICE east and south of Munich are ÖBB Railjets. Southern France is not being serviced by ICE - only by TGV. All ICE to Denmark have been taken out of service, the line is being serviced by DSB IC3. ICE trains beyond the german border are still going to Paris Est, Bruxelles, Amsterdam, Wien (via Passau) and Basel, Chur, Interlaken Ost, Zürich. That's it... --Metrancya (talk) 14:11, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

I can do a few changes but a thorough review of the file needs to be performed anyway... --Metrancya (talk) 14:14, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

Done. Changes:

• Changes for the year 2017 (valid from Dec. 2016 on)
  • -- Berlin - Rostock doesn't exist anymore
  • -- Hamburg - Aarhus doesn't exist anymore
  • -- all connections east / south of Munich are served by ÖBB railjet and not by ICE trains
  • -- southern France is being served by TGV trains
  • -- Hamburg - Copenhagen is being served by DSB IC3 instead of ICE trains
  • ++ ICE link between Hamburg and Lübeck

--Metrancya (talk) 15:00, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for your changes! But I think that not everything is right. Munich to Innsbruck is still an ICE-line. (Look at ICE 1207.) It´s the way via Mittenwald. The way via Rosenheim is changed into a ÖBB train. Some more trains (on a few days four ones) runs to Garmisch-Partenkirchen. That´s important. The Railjets from Southern Germany to Austria or Hungary are ICE lines, too. Look on the route network. The DB says that it is an ICE line, too, because they cooperate with this transport company. And because of this it´s an ICE line. But the cooperation with Thalys and a few TGVs had an end. --Blaufisch123 (talk) 09:39, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

Done. --Metrancya (talk) 20:14, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

Metrancya, great work and thanks for taking over management of the map - I'd lost track... Classical geographer (talk) 14:41, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

Updates 2018

Major updates were necessary. Especially the lines to and from Berlin are offered more often. A new high speed railway line between Erfurt and Nuremberg has been inaugurated. The ICE frequency to and from Berlin has changed considerably. Three new terminus stations: Jena, Rostock, Garmisch-Partenkirchen. Some other (minor) changes. --Metrancya (talk) 21:42, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

München <--> Augsburg

According to DB Netze AG, this Track is 250km/h (https://geovdbn.deutschebahn.com/isr) 2003:6:21CE:8748:FB38:33FD:E7BA:AA8D 20:14, 26 September 2018 (UTC)