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Africa

Don't see on Talk anything about Portuguese being a cultural language of Namibia and S.Africa, so reverted. The S.African constitution gives Portuguese as an example of a minority language, so perhaps we should have a green square for a P-speaking minority. How do we define what a "cultural or secondary language" is, anyway? Eq. Guinea should also be removed; there was an attempt to make Portuguese official, but last I heard it had failed. Kwamikagami (talk) 22:26, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

Can anybody please revert Kwamikagami's rampages? The South African constitution mentiones Portuguese (amongst others) as a cultural heritage ( http://www.constitutionalcourt.org.za/site/constitution/english-web/ch1.html ), lusophone immigration to Namibia is a well renowned fact, too. Just because he thinks There must not be any other language than English we shouldn't put this as "information" onto every other reader... 2.242.140.165 09:30, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

The Khoi, Nama and San languages languages, South African Sign Language, German, Greek, Gujarati, Hindi, Portuguese, Tamil, Telegu, Urdu, Arabic, Hebrew, Sanskrit and "other languages used for religious purposes in South Africa" have a special status (Chapter 1, Article 6 of the South African Constitution). Chronus (talk) 02:44, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

In the Namibia, 4-5% of population speak portuguese (see). Chronus (talk) 02:44, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Obrigado, thank you, Chronus. You're a good man. 2.242.93.100 14:19, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

SOUTH AFRICA

@Kwamikagami: Então, de acordo com as estatísticas e o claro reconhecimento do português como língua minoritária, um ponto verde pode finalmente ser colocado na África do Sul? Nós também existimos.

So in line with the stats and clear recognition of Portuguese as a minority language, can a green dot finally be placed on South Africa? We exist too.

Cumprimentos. De um sul-africano que está cansado do mundo ignorando nossa existência. --Spirit of the night (talk) 11:32, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

@Maphobbyist: . Sounds right. I'm pinging User:Maphobbyist, since he's the last to remove it. Kwamikagami (talk) 11:39, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Muito obrigado pela tua ajuda. Também vou dar a ele um ping @Maphobbyist: . --Spirit of the night (talk) 22:10, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Latin America

Portuguese is not a second language in Paraguay nor Uruguay, neither recognised by those countries as a minority language. The languages promoted in Uruguay are English and Italian, while in Paraguay these are Guaraní and English. Nevertheless, minorities in both countries do exist, and the map should note them as such. I'm asking for someone who can change the Paraguay and Uruguay status in the map from "Secondary/Cultural language" to "Minorities". --Bankster (talk) 16:02, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

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This is inaccurate. Portuguese is in fact a secondary language of Uruguay, in fact, Portuguese is a mandatory language subject in all the schools in the northern part of Uruguay (officially a second language). This is common knowledge. I get the feeling that some people like to minimize the importance and value of the Portuguese language. It is also a known fact that Portuguese is obligatorilly taught as an optional language in Argentina and Paraguay...and recently in Venezuela as well, as the number of Portuguese speakers there is very high. I will happily provide the source of this information very soon. Thus Portuguese qualifies as either a cultural or secondary language in these 3 countries.

Additionally, Portuguese is in fact 1 of 3 official languages of Equatorial Guinea, and even if Portuguese was not made an official language of this country, it would still qualify as a cultural language as Equatorial Guinea use to be a colony of Portugal up until the 1700s, and Portuguese is still spoken in its creolized form on 2 of the islands. On the other 2 neighbour islands of Sao Tome and Principe Portuguese is the official language. This should be reflected on your map.

And Portuguese is a cultural language of South Africa and Namibia. Portuguese is offered in the school systems of these two countries as the population of Portuguese speakers is very high in both countries. The map you had a few months ago was the most accurate one, as it reflected all of the things I have mentioned here. — Preceding unsigned comment was added by 99.224.207.167 (talk) 20:47, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Papiamentu

Portugueses-based creole, missing from map. Kwamikagami (talk) 04:25, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

Portuguese as native language in Angola

Portuguese is already - or becoming quickly - the native language of a majority in Angola! Since 2012 some 10 million people, more than a third of the population, were born in an Angola where some 70 percent speak Portuguese at home. I suggest to replace the "green: Official and administrative language" by "dark green: Native language". Blow statistics about language use in Angola.

A 2012 study by the Angolan National Institute for Statistics found that Portuguese is the mother tongue of 39% of the population. It is spoken as a second language by many more throughout the country, and younger urban generations are moving towards the dominant or exclusive use of Portuguese. The 2014 population census found that about 71% of the nearly 25.8 million inhabitants of Angola speak Portuguese at home.

The problem historically has been that rural areas were not adequately sampled, grossly inflating the estimated number of Lusophones. Perhaps that's been resolved now?

According to Ethnologue, 40% are native speakers as of 2021. But home use can be greater than L1 numbers, due to mixed-language marriages. But the 70% figure may be L1+L2, not home use: Em cada 100 habitantes de Angola, 71 falam português, enquanto 23 falam a língua nacional umbundu, a segunda mais falada. I don't see an explanation for what falam means, but the Umbundu figure is L1. Beside the 23% who speak Umbundu, 10% speak Kongo, 6-7% Chokwe, 5% Kimbundu, 3% Nyaneka, Nyemba, Ovambo and Kibala, 2% Nkumbi. That's already 60%. Kwamikagami (talk) 12:53, 4 August 2023 (UTC)