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Countries with pending implementation of same-sex marriage

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I propose including the countries that already legalized same-sex marriages but are pending the implementation. And mark them in green similar to how it is in File:World marriage-equality laws.svg
SriHarsha Bhogi (talk) 17:19, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nepal

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Recently (I don’t remember when) Nepal legalized same-sex marriage. Alex Mitchell of The Goodies (talk) 15:14, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

that is correct. --92.76.107.182 11:23, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nepal and the rest of South Asia

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@Kwamikagami

There are numerous problems with your edits:

1) Nepal does not allow gay marriage yet, except for foreign spouses: Nepal Supreme Court delivers historic ruling in favour of same-sex marriage (yahoo.com)

2) Bangladesh and Pakistan have had arrests within the past five years according to numerous sources posted throughout this talk page and should be a shade of orange; furthermore Pakistan still had a Sharia Law derived allowance to enforce the death penalty but it remains unenforced.

Do not update the map unless Bangladesh and Pakistan are a shade of orange. SamanthaWinning (talk) 02:35, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please provide sources for your claims. I've read many of the sources above and they don't support what they claim to, or are contradicted by other sources. Kwamikagami (talk) 02:51, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Which claim? The majority of the sources for the claims have been posted throughout this talk page. and I can repost a few of them here again.
The following links lists that Bangladesh and Pakistan have had arrests in the past five years.
https://database.ilga.org/criminalisation-consensual-same-sex-sexual-acts
https://yaledailynews.com/blog/2021/10/08/pakistani-courts-confirm-bail-for-yale-alum-after-lgbtq-inspired-photoshoot/
Country policy and information note: sexual orientation and gender identity, Bangladesh, September 2023 (accessible) - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)
Our Identities under Arrest - ILGA World
https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/archive/world/pakistan-police-arrest-couple-facilitators-over-gay-marriage-94974
The following links lists that Pakistan has had at least arrests in the past five years and many state that Pakistan still had the death penalty on the books:
Homosexuality: The countries where it is illegal to be gay (bbc.com)
Pakistan | Human Dignity Trust
Pakistan | Outright International
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/62554b85e90e0729fef7bb5f/Pakistan_Sexual_orientation_and_gender_identity_or_expression.pdf
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/pakistan-country-policy-and-information-notes/country-policy-and-information-note-sexual-orientation-and-gender-identity-and-expression-pakistan-april-2022-accessible--2
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamiewareham/2023/11/30/severe-spike-in-arrests-and-prosecutions-of-lgbtq-people-in-2023/?sh=3449e80a3a3e
https://www.thepinknews.com/2023/05/17/lgbtq-death-penalty-idahobit/
Additional sources for Nepal as well:
Nepal Supreme Court delivers historic ruling in favour of same-sex marriage (yahoo.com)
If you are arguing about Pakistan and its death penalty, then it still should not be yellow by any means. Even if you can somehow claim that there aren't any arrests of gay people (and there have been arrests of gay people), there is still enforcement of sharia law extrajudically at a local level according to the reports above so it's not just clutching at straws, it's downright incorrect. Furthermore harrasment of the LGBTQ community, including transgenders, by the police is common in Pakistan according to the sources above so the idea that this map can represent living conditions by using yellow is also far fetched.
SamanthaWinning (talk) 02:58, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Furthermore I notice that the claim for Sri Lanka having arrests in the past five years is also incorrect. The claim given in this talk page, that two lesbians were taken by police and sent to a hospital for homosexuality, was actually due to severe suicidal tendencies and the women were relased the next day and were never arrested: Indo-SL lesbian couple seeking matrimony released | The Morning . The other link in this talk page also does not state anything about arrests in the past five years. SamanthaWinning (talk) 03:39, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Kwamikagami
So to summarise:
Pakistan: dark orange or light orange (imprisonment, death penalty on books but not (or not yet)) OR (arrests, detention, imprisonment or de-facto illegal); it seems that there are numerous sources saying that Pakistan still has the death penalty on the books, but that it has never been enforced and is unlikely to be ever enforced, but this seems to be a controversial conclusion on Wikipedia.
Bangladesh: orange (arrests, detention, imprisonment or de-facto illegal)
Sri Lanka: yellow (no arrests/detentions over past five years)
Nepal: light purple (limited recognition (foreign residency rights))
Sources
Pakistan and Bangladesh have been sourced above.
The two sources that were provided in the Comoros, Maldives, Sri Lanka subsection above that changed Sri Lanka to orange have been supersceeded by a updated source clarifying the situation as being related to suicidal tendencies and nothing to do with homosexuality per se: Indo-SL lesbian couple seeking matrimony released | The Morning (and the other source in the subsection did not state that arrests happened in the past five years).
You jumped the gun with Nepal and same-sex marriage; it's only foreign residency rights and that's sourced from: Nepal Supreme Court delivers historic ruling in favour of same-sex marriage (yahoo.com) SamanthaWinning (talk) 11:39, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Furthermore to add to the discussion about Pakistan and the death penalty:
Gay relationships are still criminalised in 72 countries, report finds | LGBTQ+ rights | The Guardian
The Guardian also has Pakistan as imposing the death penality on the books but unenforced in reality. SamanthaWinning (talk) 12:18, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I got about halfway through your supposed sources for Pakistan, and all failed verification except for "Pakistan police arrest couple, facilitators over gay marriage." It's debatable whether that should count; I'll leave it to others to try to form consensus. But the fact that when I ask for RS's to back up your claims, you seem incapable of doing so, suggests that in general your claims are not reliable, and I'm not going to waste my time further.
Maybe someone else can spend the time trudging through all your false refs to see if there's anything else is there that's worth considering. Kwamikagami (talk) 21:25, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To clarify, the question is not whether life sucks for queer people in Pakistan, but whether there are laws against homosexuality that result in arrest, detention or prison. Kwamikagami (talk) 21:26, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nepal allowed same-sex marriages by Supreme Court decision. Nepal must be coloured in dark blue.
An also Liechtenstein allowed same-sex marriages on 16 May 2024 by parliament decision. The bill comes into effect on 1 January 2025.--92.76.107.182 11:20, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Map shows Ukrainian territory as russian

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I noticed that occupied part of Ukraine showed as russian. That's incorrect and offensive. By which law they are russian? 2A0C:5A85:D301:C600:10DC:16E8:C63:B4D2 22:19, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's discussing the de facto LGBT rights in that region. They are not shows as part of Russia but as different territories for the purpose of showing the actual legal conditions these. It's not a de jure situation but a de facto situation that the map represents (hence why countries where no arrests have taken place are shown despite there being laws allowing as such). SamanthaWinning (talk) 11:03, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Same-sex marriage in Liechtenstein allowed by parliament on 16 May 2024

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The Parliament of Liechtenstein passed a boll allowing same-sex marriages. The bill comes into effect on January 1, 2025.

92.76.107.182 17:10, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have a second source confirming that same sex marriage is now legal in Liechtenstein as well.
Liechtenstein legalizes same-sex marriage in near-unanimous vote – POLITICO
I have updated the map. SamanthaWinning (talk) 09:20, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
you did it wrong. Nepal and Liechtenstein must be coloured in dark blue. In both countries are same-sex marriages now allowed. --92.76.107.182 11:24, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The law in Liechtenstein comes into effect on 1. January 2024, so it should only be changed to dark blue when that happens.
Kugelfisch002 (talk) 18:21, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
1 January 2025, obviously.
Kugelfisch002 (talk) 18:22, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

--92.76.107.182 11:34, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nepal, Pakistan, Bangladesh

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Condensed sources that provide the verification of the categories:

Pakistan

Gay relationships are still criminalised in 72 countries, report finds | LGBTQ+ rights | The Guardian

Bangladesh

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/bangladesh-country-policy-and-information-notes/country-policy-and-information-note-sexual-orientation-and-gender-identity-bangladesh-september-2023-accessible

ILGA World Database: Criminalisation of consensual same-sex sexual acts - Bangladesh (retrieved: 26 May 2024)

Nepal

Can someone please provide a source which states that the government systematically allows for gay marriage? I've seen numerous entries from the past five years which state various things such as same-sex partnerships being recognised by an office or an authority, but there's very little information stating that same-sex marraige has been recognised systematically nor that there are any rights being provided. The closest has been the the Supreme Court order to give foreign same-sex spouses the same visa rights and heterosexual spouses, but why there have been two verdicts by the supreme court saying the same thing but several years apart? What changed with the first ruling that required the second ruling? Nepal: Court Orders Recognition of Same-Sex Spouse | Human Rights Watch (hrw.org)

So I have updated the map according to the above. SamanthaWinning (talk) 09:31, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Furthermore to clarify:
The majority of reliable sources on the topic seem to state that:
  • Pakistan does have the death penalty on the books but its ability to be enforced is unclear (and it has never been judically enforced), whereas Bangladesh has arrested people for homosexuality in the past five years
  • I have yet to see a LGBTQ organisation classify Nepal as having legalised gay marriage, meaning these registratons of same-sex marriage must be isolated cases (which have happened in India and Sri Lanka as well)
  • For Sri Lanka in the one case provided on this Talk Page, it seems that the case was related to an illegal marriage rather than homosexual sex (which does not cover the homosexual law) and furthermore it seems that the police took the lesbians to a safe house to keep themselves safe from their family and the community (it was a predominantly Muslim area) which actually seems to be the opposite of homophobia. So there are no citations for anything other than "unenforced sodomy law on the books". There is no reliable source for anything other than this.
Criminalisation of consensual same-sex sexual acts | ILGA World Database
Map of Countries that Criminalise LGBT People | Human Dignity Trust
Here are the 10 countries where homosexuality may be punished by death - The Washington Post SamanthaWinning (talk) 10:06, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Last time you provided a ref for Pakistan, it was 6 yrs old and contradicted by more recent refs. Now you post one 8 yrs old. I'm not bothering to read the others since you can't be bothered to quote them. Kwamikagami (talk) 04:30, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am interested in verifying Sri Lanka. Would you name/copy/cite the ref that you're referring to? Kwamikagami (talk) 04:32, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New ILGA World report

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ILGA World is a reliable source. It's time to update the entire map: Jordan, Nepal, Indonesia, Yemen etc.

https://ilga.org/news/laws-on-us-2024-lgbti-human-rights/ Cyanmax (talk) 08:05, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nepal hasn't legalised same-sex marriage according to that table.
Indonesia and Yemen has restrictions on freedom-of-expression through propaganda laws.
I see nothing wrong with Jordan. Instabeet (talk) 14:41, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Jordan has restrictions on freedom-of expression while Yemen has enforced death penalty. Cyanmax (talk) 17:00, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

IGLA map

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I saw this map from IGLA on Reddit and there are lots of differences from this map and that map:

A Cool Guide Map Shows Places Where Being Gay Is Against the Law : r/coolguides (reddit.com)

Notably the number of countries with the death penalty are higher than what is listed here (Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Pakistan, Sudan, Marutina etc...)

WhenIslove (talk) 05:21, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Because it's an outdated map. Bhutan and Singapore decriminalized same-sex activity 3 years ago. So your map is from 2019. Cyanmax (talk) 07:38, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Namibia

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On 21 June 2024, the High Court of Namibia legalized same-sex activities. The colour of country Namibia in map must be changed to grey colour

--88.70.213.66 13:44, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not grey, but purple. They recognize overseas marriage. GogoLion (talk) 19:28, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
fixed. Kwamikagami (talk) 21:08, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sri Lanka

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I updated Sri Lanka because there's no conclusive evidence that for any other classification besides "prison, unenforced".

  • The source given in this Talk Page (that initially led to it being classified as enforced) refers to same-sex marriage rather than gay sex, and the sources are conflicting each other as to what actually happened. Considering that the eventual outcome was that the lesbian couple were taken to a safe house to be kept safe from their homophobic parents and community (who were Muslims), I'm erring on the side of the situation being more likely to be unrelated to homophobia among the police force but rather the couple's crazy homophobic parents.
  • Spokespeople from the government, legal authorities and human rights organisations have repeatedly stated that the law is unenforced:
  • ""Homosexuality is an offense under the Penal Code,” the PMD said quoting President Ranil Wickremesinghe during a discussion with Harvard University on March 24,2023. "However, it has never been enforced for the last five decades to my knowledge,”" - Spokesperson for the President of Sri Lanka at Harvard University. [1]
  • "Sources consulted by the Research Directorate indicate that this law criminalizing homosexual behaviour is "routinely" not enforced (Freedom House 2006; Equal Ground 2005, 16; US 6 Mar. 2007, Sec. 5; Gay Times n.d.)." [2]
  • "In a travel review of Sri Lanka, the London-based Gay Times reports that there have been no prosecutions of homosexuals in Sri Lanka in 50 years (N.d.)."[3]

Most of the problems seems to be related to harassments of LGBTQ, which still happens in many of the countries where gay sex is not illegal. WindofWasps (talk) 10:30, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nepal (DW's article refuting false claims)

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Nepal must be changed to grey per DW article (Same-sex couples face hurdles on road to recognition) and the English wikipedia consensus. Cyanmax (talk) 02:58, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I concur. A number of discussions across numerous Wikipedia articles related to this topic have generally come to the conclusion that what's present in Nepal isn't the commonly imagined conception of same-sex marriage. WindofWasps (talk) 16:52, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pakistan

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Homosexuality in Pakistan can be indirectly punished to death through the Offence of Zina. This source is from 2022.

"2.4.1 The Pakistan Penal Code (PPC) does not explicitly refer to same-sex sexual activity, but Section 377 defines ‘carnal intercourse against the order of nature’, as punishable by a fine and/or imprisonment for a period of 2 years to life. There is ambiguity on whether Section 377 applies to women, but it is assumed the law applies to both men and women. The Offence of Zina (Enforcement Of Hudood) Ordinance of 1979 criminalises any form of penetration in a sexual act outside of marriage. Whilst consensual same-sex sexual acts are not explicitly covered by these provisions since LGBTI people are not able to marry they suggest that any same-sex sexual acts that involve penetration could be prosecuted under sharia provisions and may be punished by death. There are no laws prohibiting discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation, consensual same-sex sexual acts are prohibited as are same-sex civil unions or marriages, and same-sex couples cannot adopt children (see Legal rights and Application of the law)."

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/pakistan-country-policy-and-information-notes/country-policy-and-information-note-sexual-orientation-and-gender-identity-and-expression-pakistan-april-2022-accessible--2 WindofWasps (talk) 23:02, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bulgaria anti-LGBTQ propaganda law passed

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Article from Balkan Insights

Apparently the bill does not specify what sanctions would be imposed if someone violates the law, so should we color in Bulgaria with tan and lavender stripes? WikiBunny2K1 (talk) 18:56, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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